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ZK's avatar

hey hope. Just tracked you down here after finding out today about the falling out w Garret (sorry to hear about that btw, doesnt really seem justified from my understanding). I have been absent on the forums. Im interested in this situation because after an initial 6-7 months of huge gains taking the LYL program seriously, I started noticing several new symptoms. I was also doing a ton of saunas and niacin and sweating out electrolytes. It took a few months to self diagnose it as calcium deficiency. Ive been hesitant to supplement because of garrets stance, but I had experimented with daily doses and its the ONLY thing that helped, and ihelped quite a bit. Do you have any resources you can point me to, to learn more about calcium and also dosing? Im now going through your posts and also will of europa and cant find much. Thankyou for your time.

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Hope's avatar

I did the same. Unfortunately, it took me 4 more years of depleting my calcium to realize what I was going through was due to low calcium and was not from detox.

Do you have Telegram? We are both on there. We are working on getting more information out. It just takes time to write it. Just either stick with low dose of a supplement you tolerate, or foods low in vA. Aged cheeses seem to be lowest, that we can tell.

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ann's avatar

how can I find your telegram?

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Hope's avatar

Sorry. Did you find it? I am going through all of my activity and catching things I had missed.

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ann's avatar

I saw you made a comment in Will's telegram, but I wasn't able to figure out how to find and join your telegram. That platform is confusing for me.

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Hope's avatar

Here it is.

https://t.me/+fEF8Bef5m7cxNTUx

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Helen Blain's avatar

Telegram tells me the above connection is invalid.

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ann's avatar
Jul 12Edited

My main health concern is chronic fatigue and lack of energy and motivation. When I started taking niacin it made my fatigue noticeably worse. I reported it in office hours, but Dr. S just said to ask Kelsey about it. I didn't like that he brushed me off to Kelsey. She had removed me from her Telegram group without warning because I was discussing the fact that the coof is imaginary, and illness is due to toxic bile dumping. I have serious issues with someone who censors discussion of the covid delusion. She actually told me to just condone people who repeat their covid delusions.

Anyway, I have been continuing the niacin, waiting for something to improve. I guess this is a sign that I should stop it and see if my energy improves. I also got some yogurt and cheese to add calcium to my diet. I have been snacking on sweets way too much lately, so I thought the yogurt and cheese would be healthier choices. The packages said zero vit D, and did not say it was fortified with A.

Thanks for sharing this information.

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Hope's avatar

I would stop the niacin altogether. It tanked my calcium. I am sorry that happened to you. No one should be treated that way. Niacin will not help you. It is a bandaid for low calcium, in my opinion and makes it worse, in the long run.

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Andrew Cortado's avatar

How do you take Calcium? Do you mix calcium carbonate with anything else?

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Hope's avatar

I get it through supplementation of different forms and low vA cheeses.

Find what works for you and start slow. It can induce detox.

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Andrew Cortado's avatar

Is soaking calcium carbonate in baths sufficient for absorptions?

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Hope's avatar

I don't know. You can always try it and see.

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Carolyn McKinney's avatar

Is it common to experience an increased need for magnesium while taking niacin? I see that in common between your story and what I've experienced the past several weeks. My energy was dropping, and I was getting headaches (which is unusual for me). Daily magnesium baths were the only things keeping it at bay, until I started internal supplementation with magnesium. Since I added that, I've been fine. But it seemed like, for you, magnesium was more of a bandaid. Is that a correct characterization?

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Hope's avatar

I took magnesium as a buffer because that was the only one I could without issues, that I knew of. I didn't know I could, or needed, calcium at first. Magnesium helps use calcium, so that makes sense. Niacin depletes calcium rapidly. I will be covering this soon, so stay tuned! And, yes, magnesium, along with all the mega dosing I did with the other minerals, were just bandaids for low calcium.

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zdb's avatar

Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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