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zdb's avatar
Jul 18Edited

Thank you.

Well said. Pros and cons on everything. Every nutritional dogma is suspect today. Self experiment becomes required. I took up to 8g nicotinic acid triple buffered about a year. Worked my way up slowly and back down slowly. I thoroughly enjoy the flush. I also enjoy the calm feeling I got that made whatever addictive substance or behavior feel just ho hum boring. As in if I can not get to something productive to do, I would rather sit and think bored. In a good way.

Never sure if that is due to the nicotinic acid though. I did find I flush higher at lower doses. I stopped all doses a month ago.

I can not name anything that changed since I started in on the nicotinic acid experiment. I did not notice any changes in skin or other epithelial tissue quality. My zinc oxide / shea butter cream improves healing and skin integrity just as well with or without nicotinic acid. Have read about topical applications causing flushes that last for days and get alarming. I have been careful to avoid nicotinic acid during reactions to stings, bites and urushiol reactions. Nicotinic flush during already red itchy burning skin seems basis of bad logic.

While nicotinic acid is calming, warming and pleasant, I can think of a few drugs that do that as well. I can also get similar feelings from eating good quality meat and carbohydrates - think Thanksgiving dinner.

What is missing in the anecdotal literature of this past couple years of a hundred or so of us trying nicotinic acid is a list of ailments that resolve. Hard to doubt the efficacy of avoiding vA and oral vD and copper. Anecdotal evidence of improvements are rife. Has anyone else seen any testimonials raving about nicotinic acid?

As a sage once said, it feels like mental masturbation to continue to use a supplement that is amply provided when access to good quality meat is available. A much wiser person called it metabolic minutiae.

On the cautionary side, my most persistent symptom these last 35 years is leg and foot cramps. Life gets harsh when cramps come often enough to interrupt and or prevent REM cycles. The reason I reduced and stopped the nicotinic acid experiment was that during the last few months, the cramping woke me up too often. Ironic since the first three months, the cramps receded once I triple buffered to get the pH of the solution up over 7.5 . At first I attributed the reduced cramps to the bicarbonates and carbonates of magnesium, sodium and potassium. That may have been the case. Either way along with the cramps, intermittent flank pains did not reassure me.

Feels like with each experiment, I come away thinking, who is the one individual in all of the low vA paradigm with the best results? What did that individual do differently? What did that individual overcome? What am I not learning yet. So far I keep coming back to one name.

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Gretchen's avatar

Thanks Hope! This is great information.

I’ve been doing Dr smith’s love your liver program for several years now. When he started recommending NA, I tried it. I didn’t mind the flush and was able to increase my dose easily. But then I noticed that I was gaining weight very steadily. I stopped the NA and my weight went back to my baseline. Each time I try and add back more than just a little bit, the same thing happens.

So I’ve just stopped and have no plans to start up again. I eat a lot of meat (carnivore diet), and get a good amount in my food already. And my feeling is less is more with supplements. Ideally I will get to the point where I’m detoxed enough that I can let go of the few other things I’m taking right now too, and only keep in some binders and electrolytes.

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